I didn't think it proof that she didn't care, exactly, when she sent Silver out to fight after her breakdown; Lucki's immediate situation seemed pretty dangerous. That's true, but basically, she didn't send out Silver because of that. She's not even aware that the battle has overflowed being between pokemon until Keegan tackles her, and even then, she initially plans to get the battle between her and Keegan, returning things to the status quo. She's not scared at the time.
In one of the most awesome fic endings ever. ^^ Thanks!
While most things were made clear by the end, I'm a bit curious about that Shellgon (it was really just trying to evolve?) and that injured creature she carried back in her arms Pretty much throwaway bits. The bagon/shellgon was to set the stage for Flare's increasingly futile attempts to make Lucki like him and because I didn't like the convention of having wild pokemon vary in strength based on trainer level. The taillow was fine, and was just there as a reference to general, Unoriginality-mocked trainer stupidity, as well as an allusion to an OT fic with a similar bait and switch (Lucki asks if the taillow is okay, the nurse joy offers her a different cool pokemon because she's so awesome).
The meteorite is connected to Groudon and/or Kyogre somehow. That might be why it reacted to Flare oddly (it's really reacting to all of Lucki's pokemon because they are Important and Special in the coming events, and the guy just doesn't realize because he has no similar benchmark for squirtle) or it might be giving random results because it only really reacts to Groudon and/or Kyogre (The game is impressively vague about this). Team Magma had no grand goals beyond "not dying because those nutcases destroy the world". I'm not really sure what they were planning, but it was preventative.
The Blue Orb bit is actually canon - each group steals the opposite color orb, meaning it's quite plausible that the group's plans might have worked if they hadn't been utter idiots who somehow thought the red orb controls Kyogre and the blue orb controls Groudon. Although for anyone that dumb, it's unlikely the rest of their plan would have gone any better. Seriously, they're color coded. Getting that wrong means you're terminally incompetent and the rest of your plan is probably riddled with similar mistakes.
The Blue Orb bit is actually canon - each group steals the opposite color orb, meaning it's quite plausible that the group's plans might have worked if they hadn't been utter idiots who somehow thought the red orb controls Kyogre and the blue orb controls Groudon. Although for anyone that dumb, it's unlikely the rest of their plan would have gone any better. Seriously, they're color coded. Getting that wrong means you're terminally incompetent and the rest of your plan is probably riddled with similar mistakes.
Have I told you that I adore you? I despise Team Aqua and Team Magma, and that's a hilariously succint way of describing them. As one of my friends put it, "There's no real menace there. If they're too stupid to notice the OBVIOUS flaws in their plans, they're too stupid to act on them competently." Of course, I think that friend was probably grossly underestimating the destructive power of stupidity...
I tend to see them as a doomsday cult. And not the sciency doomsday cult they're pretending to be, but one of the weird ones that's following some ancient half-translated book and stifles free thought among the cult members.
I mean, Team Magma, the guys hanging out around volcanoes and intending to bake the world into submission, wear heavy sweaters. You've got to be pretty weird to willingly choose that as your dress code. And Aqua is made up of pirate cosplayers or else run by someone with a pirate fetish, I'm not sure. (...and I've just figured out their real reason for wanting to expand the oceans.)
Once again, your interpretation is way more interesting and appropriate than the canon one. I mean, ecoterrorists can be stupid, but not that stupid. And I can't say I've ever heard of them favoring one sort of animal over another, except for the humans < all other animals bit, and that's getting more into Manga!EliteFour territory.
I think that they're actually supposed to be pro-human, although they might be pro-everything (I should replay the games). Magma wanted to expand the land so there'd be more places for people to live, and Aqua wanted to expand the ocean because the ocean can support more life and that would help people, I think. (From a technical standpoint, humans generally do quite well on small islands surrounded by fish, so it's less completely insane than it first appears.)
Yeah, they are pro-human, but they do play favoritism with pokémon, as they talk about wanting to help them, too. Either that, or they're just too stupid to realize that any sort of global environmental change will inevitably hurt some species, even it does help others.
Yeah, that's what I was just thinking. "Never ascribe to malice what can be attributed to ignorance" is pretty much Team Aqua and Team Magma's tagline.
She's not even aware that the battle has overflowed being between pokemon until Keegan tackles her, and even then, she initially plans to get the battle between her and Keegan, returning things to the status quo. She's not scared at the time. Uh-huh, she was out to get him, no doubt about that. (I was just saying that even someone who hadn't been would have done the same thing for different reasons.) After Keegan knocks her down, she looks and sees that she can't get the battle between them again, and then she runs; if it had been pre-Irin I'd have expected her to stand her ground and judo-flip him despite a couple of scrapes, but as it is, she doesn't seem to think she can beat him, or want to try even though she's mad at him. She does seem scared of fighting and risking worse injury when she runs instead. (And she may not have realised that climbing the rubble would hurt her that badly, but to be that desperate to abandon her revenge and her property does suggest 'panicked caution' of some sort by that point - though that's probably after the point you're referring to as 'at the time'.)
it's quite plausible that the group's plans might have worked if they hadn't been utter idiots who somehow thought the red orb controls Kyogre and the blue orb controls Groudon Well, that's... bizarre canon... But if the game's Aqua couldn't control Kyogre because they had the wrong orb, and that was why the downpoar was unrestrained and potentially apocalyptic, then wouldn't the Aqua that did have the right orb actually be able to control it enough to keep from all getting killed? Or else what would the correct orb do? (The orb must have drastically reduced the legendary's power in the game to have made it catchable only by the orb's bearer...)
(...and I've just figured out their real reason for wanting to expand the oceans.) For pirate cosplaying? o.o?
I'd have expected her to stand her ground and judo-flip him despite a couple of scrapes, but as it is, she doesn't seem to think she can beat him, or want to try even though she's mad at him. She does seem scared of fighting and risking worse injury when she runs instead.
I hadn't even considered that. But Lucki's not much of a twink sue, so even before the absol, she wouldn't have fighting ability. Someone would have to show up and help her.
Lucki's running because she doesn't think she could take Keegan in an actual fight, but does think she could outrun him. (He's two years older, male, and probably actually trained in fighting) In a fight, he'd pin her pretty fast, as he does when he finally does get her. She's not going to surrender if she doesn't have to. She's also running, in part, because he's chasing her and she's doing anything that Team Magma/he doesn't want. She's getting injured doing so, but it's more spite than fear.
then wouldn't the Aqua that did have the right orb actually be able to control it enough to keep from all getting killed?
Yes, but game Team Aqua's stated goals amount to "unrestrained and potentially apocalyptic downpour whee!" anyway, with the idea this is somehow helpful tacked on. In Lucki, they just aren't trying to make the world a better place. They're well aware of the fact that meddling with the existing balance is going to cause cataclysms, and that's why they're doing it.
It would be an interesting fanfic where the regular game team got the correct orb, though. GAH PLOTBUNNY.
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Date: 2007-05-09 02:45 am (UTC)That's true, but basically, she didn't send out Silver because of that. She's not even aware that the battle has overflowed being between pokemon until Keegan tackles her, and even then, she initially plans to get the battle between her and Keegan, returning things to the status quo. She's not scared at the time.
In one of the most awesome fic endings ever.
^^ Thanks!
While most things were made clear by the end, I'm a bit curious about that Shellgon (it was really just trying to evolve?) and that injured creature she carried back in her arms
Pretty much throwaway bits. The bagon/shellgon was to set the stage for Flare's increasingly futile attempts to make Lucki like him and because I didn't like the convention of having wild pokemon vary in strength based on trainer level. The taillow was fine, and was just there as a reference to general, Unoriginality-mocked trainer stupidity, as well as an allusion to an OT fic with a similar bait and switch (Lucki asks if the taillow is okay, the nurse joy offers her a different cool pokemon because she's so awesome).
The meteorite is connected to Groudon and/or Kyogre somehow. That might be why it reacted to Flare oddly (it's really reacting to all of Lucki's pokemon because they are Important and Special in the coming events, and the guy just doesn't realize because he has no similar benchmark for squirtle) or it might be giving random results because it only really reacts to Groudon and/or Kyogre (The game is impressively vague about this). Team Magma had no grand goals beyond "not dying because those nutcases destroy the world". I'm not really sure what they were planning, but it was preventative.
The Blue Orb bit is actually canon - each group steals the opposite color orb, meaning it's quite plausible that the group's plans might have worked if they hadn't been utter idiots who somehow thought the red orb controls Kyogre and the blue orb controls Groudon. Although for anyone that dumb, it's unlikely the rest of their plan would have gone any better. Seriously, they're color coded. Getting that wrong means you're terminally incompetent and the rest of your plan is probably riddled with similar mistakes.
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Date: 2007-05-25 01:36 am (UTC)Have I told you that I adore you? I despise Team Aqua and Team Magma, and that's a hilariously succint way of describing them. As one of my friends put it, "There's no real menace there. If they're too stupid to notice the OBVIOUS flaws in their plans, they're too stupid to act on them competently." Of course, I think that friend was probably grossly underestimating the destructive power of stupidity...
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Date: 2007-05-25 09:00 pm (UTC)I mean, Team Magma, the guys hanging out around volcanoes and intending to bake the world into submission, wear heavy sweaters. You've got to be pretty weird to willingly choose that as your dress code. And Aqua is made up of pirate cosplayers or else run by someone with a pirate fetish, I'm not sure. (...and I've just figured out their real reason for wanting to expand the oceans.)
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Date: 2007-06-18 02:41 am (UTC)Uh-huh, she was out to get him, no doubt about that. (I was just saying that even someone who hadn't been would have done the same thing for different reasons.) After Keegan knocks her down, she looks and sees that she can't get the battle between them again, and then she runs; if it had been pre-Irin I'd have expected her to stand her ground and judo-flip him despite a couple of scrapes, but as it is, she doesn't seem to think she can beat him, or want to try even though she's mad at him. She does seem scared of fighting and risking worse injury when she runs instead. (And she may not have realised that climbing the rubble would hurt her that badly, but to be that desperate to abandon her revenge and her property does suggest 'panicked caution' of some sort by that point - though that's probably after the point you're referring to as 'at the time'.)
it's quite plausible that the group's plans might have worked if they hadn't been utter idiots who somehow thought the red orb controls Kyogre and the blue orb controls Groudon
Well, that's... bizarre canon... But if the game's Aqua couldn't control Kyogre because they had the wrong orb, and that was why the downpoar was unrestrained and potentially apocalyptic, then wouldn't the Aqua that did have the right orb actually be able to control it enough to keep from all getting killed? Or else what would the correct orb do? (The orb must have drastically reduced the legendary's power in the game to have made it catchable only by the orb's bearer...)
(...and I've just figured out their real reason for wanting to expand the oceans.)
For pirate cosplaying? o.o?
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Date: 2007-06-18 04:09 am (UTC)I hadn't even considered that. But Lucki's not much of a twink sue, so even before the absol, she wouldn't have fighting ability. Someone would have to show up and help her.
Lucki's running because she doesn't think she could take Keegan in an actual fight, but does think she could outrun him. (He's two years older, male, and probably actually trained in fighting) In a fight, he'd pin her pretty fast, as he does when he finally does get her. She's not going to surrender if she doesn't have to. She's also running, in part, because he's chasing her and she's doing anything that Team Magma/he doesn't want. She's getting injured doing so, but it's more spite than fear.
then wouldn't the Aqua that did have the right orb actually be able to control it enough to keep from all getting killed?
Yes, but game Team Aqua's stated goals amount to "unrestrained and potentially apocalyptic downpour whee!" anyway, with the idea this is somehow helpful tacked on. In Lucki, they just aren't trying to make the world a better place. They're well aware of the fact that meddling with the existing balance is going to cause cataclysms, and that's why they're doing it.
It would be an interesting fanfic where the regular game team got the correct orb, though. GAH PLOTBUNNY.
For pirate cosplaying? o.o?
It makes more sense than anything else!