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farlaThe mary sue bullshit is still going on. Let me sum up:
Group A: I have deep-seated issues about criticism of any kind! Let me list things that, hypothetically, people could criticize in a way that is unfair. This means all criticism is invalid and meaningless and done to crush the souls of little children. Therefore the term is meaningless bullying.
Group B: Hey, you're totally right, we used to use that as an excuse to crush the souls of little children. When we saw badfic, we'd attack the writer for writing a sue just because it was badly written, even though there was nothing actually wrong with the character. This can't be because we were assholes, so obviously everyone else ever has this same motivation. Therefore the term is meaningless bullying.
Group C: I, too, have deep-seated issues, but mine are with confidence! When I was having my personal crisis, it took the form of not writing because I was worried people would call it a sue. This was clearly not a sign I have anxiety issues that could have taken the form of any self-confidence crisis but because the term mary sue just naturally triggers hyperventilating and days worth of sobbing. Therefore the term is meaningless bullying.
Group D: OMG I know nothing about this, but if people say it makes them stop writing, clearly it's just bullying and making people stop writing, unlike criticizing any other aspect of their story. Therefore the term is meaningless bullying.
Group E: FEMINISM. Let me list cool female characters! All of them are considered sues, because I say so. Therefore the term is meaningless bullying.
Group F: But, uh, that's not what the term means. Furthermore many of the male characters you're saying would get called sues if they were girls are in fact already considered sues.
Group A-E: Yes it is, because that's how it's being used. By us. Which proves it's a a bad term whose meaning has been stretched beyond usability. Also you're a misogynist bully for not agreeing with us. FEMINISM.
Group A: I have deep-seated issues about criticism of any kind! Let me list things that, hypothetically, people could criticize in a way that is unfair. This means all criticism is invalid and meaningless and done to crush the souls of little children. Therefore the term is meaningless bullying.
Group B: Hey, you're totally right, we used to use that as an excuse to crush the souls of little children. When we saw badfic, we'd attack the writer for writing a sue just because it was badly written, even though there was nothing actually wrong with the character. This can't be because we were assholes, so obviously everyone else ever has this same motivation. Therefore the term is meaningless bullying.
Group C: I, too, have deep-seated issues, but mine are with confidence! When I was having my personal crisis, it took the form of not writing because I was worried people would call it a sue. This was clearly not a sign I have anxiety issues that could have taken the form of any self-confidence crisis but because the term mary sue just naturally triggers hyperventilating and days worth of sobbing. Therefore the term is meaningless bullying.
Group D: OMG I know nothing about this, but if people say it makes them stop writing, clearly it's just bullying and making people stop writing, unlike criticizing any other aspect of their story. Therefore the term is meaningless bullying.
Group E: FEMINISM. Let me list cool female characters! All of them are considered sues, because I say so. Therefore the term is meaningless bullying.
Group F: But, uh, that's not what the term means. Furthermore many of the male characters you're saying would get called sues if they were girls are in fact already considered sues.
Group A-E: Yes it is, because that's how it's being used. By us. Which proves it's a a bad term whose meaning has been stretched beyond usability. Also you're a misogynist bully for not agreeing with us. FEMINISM.
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Date: 2010-04-22 10:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-22 04:55 pm (UTC)What's more annoying is it's not even the internet, it's just a tiny handful of insular people talking really really loudly. Which describes a lot of the current Lj debates, actually.