Date: 2011-01-29 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charizamdc.livejournal.com
I'm not entirely sure why we need it to be set up male-equal-female rather than unequal-equal, really. That's what the title led me to assume would be there in the first place.

Date: 2011-01-29 08:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farla.livejournal.com
It's because the fact a tiny handful of stories portray women positively or have more of them than men is exactly as unjust, if not more, than the fact most stories are about men. I saw the original proposed version of it (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=82pfhao5xsnbl0q95adqd2g3) and it was even more of a clusterfuck. When most of your description is bawwing about feminazis, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near sexism tropes.

Date: 2011-01-29 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
...Ugh.

Still, though, surely there's *something* I could do?

Date: 2011-01-29 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farla.livejournal.com
I guess you could try to make it suck less, but really I think it needs to get purged and redone from the ground up. And even if you got a decent page it'd require constant policing to keep people from putting their favorite shows in the equals area or putting all shojo in the sexist-toward-men sections, or writing endless justifying edits for the 1-4 shows.

Date: 2011-01-29 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yeah, that's probably beyond my troping capability or persuasive skills. :( I could probably leave a post calling people out on it on the discussion page or Repair Shop forum, and see where it goes from there.

Or perhaps you could once NaRe is over? I'm sure you're better at arguing than I am...

Date: 2011-01-29 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farla.livejournal.com
I have my hands full futilely policing other places, I draw the line at wiki arguments.

And even if you could get everything established perfectly, it'd still degrade into wank and stupidity. Every example in the lower numbers of outright sexism that's less than FATAL levels would either get argued to death by its fans or the level itself would get edited until it was described as neutral. And I don't think there's any way to explain that the "female characters get portrayed as more competent than male ones" examples isn't actually sexist against men so much as sexist against everyone, and - yeah there's just no way to get it to work. The only working system would be to cut treatment and just do it by ratio because that's objective enough you could keep the stupidity under control.

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