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[farla]

I think more people would be turned off by the fact that she constantly reviews others' stories for no other reason than to enforce her own OPINIONS as if they were fact [[WallBanger(i.e. insulting people for capitalizing the names of Pokemon)]], flaming anyone who even slightly disagrees with her (quite literally, she often tells people who disagree with her that she wants to see them burn), and just trolling in general. And she does this on a LOT of fics. Even on quality stories. This tends to backfire, as most reviews on her own stories tend to be retaliatory flames. It's like what would happen if Uwe Boll finally put out a good movie. It could be the best movie ever, but he's put out so much crap, and been so arrogant towards pretty much everyone over the years, that no one would actually care how good it was. She's not a bad author, but she IS a bad person, and that tends to turn people off even more than the quality of the work.

Oh, TvTropes rec page, never stop being so awesomely hilarious.

(Also, I'd like to point to this as Exhibit #45678 of why I tune out people saying I should be nicer. Telling people not to capitalize pokemon is insulting them!)

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[ember-reignited.livejournal.com]

Uwe Boll. You are being called the Uwe Boll of Pokémon fandom. That is like the opposite of what is actually true.

[farla.livejournal.com]

Well, within the jumbled metaphor it's kind of true. They're saying that if Uwe Boll made an awesome movie, which in this metaphor appears to be all my fic ever because I'm so cool, then people wouldn't admit it because of how much they hated him. ...for writing badly...

So okay, actually it's a terrible metaphor. And also inaccurate because most of the reviews I get aren't flames in the first place. But the important part is they admitted I'm totally awesome and all criticism ever on my fics is just because people are jealous mad at me.

[(Anonymous)]

Should we try arguing on your behalf on the TV Tropes page or will it just be a waste of time? People there actually have decent IQs, remember, unlike FFN. There might be others who agree rather than just a resounding chorus of "OMG FARLA DIE IN A FIRE" like on FFN. Not certain, but possible.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, it makes me sad that people on TV Tropes are that dumb. TV TROPES I THOUGHT YOU WERE SANE WHY DO YOU BETRAY ME LIKE THIS. ;_; It's possible they're just immigrants from FFN, though the fact that they're capable of proper grammar puts a dent in that theory.

[ember-reignited.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't. If it turns into a big Discussion it will all just get deleted for wasting space and being irrelevant to the actual quality of Farla's fics. And then this gloriousness will be gone and that will be sad.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I meant on the discussion page. Conversing on the main page is forbidden, but it would be possible to argue with people from the discussion page.

[farla.livejournal.com]

Ooh, the discussion page has some cuteness too!

[ember-reignited.livejournal.com]

You do not understand the themes of Pokémon. Shounen values are pure and irreproachable and do not get the slightest bit squicky when imposed upon a world where you legally own your nakama.

[farla.livejournal.com]

I was actually thinking about how that's the issue here.

In shonen, purity is connected to adversity. The one who deserves a given thing is the one that struggles hardest for it, and heroic actions are usually a matter of going above and beyond what's necessary at the cost of your own body.

And then in Pokemon, you've got the same dynamic only it separates the person making the decisions/getting the rewards from the person doing the work. A shonen hero letting someone beat the crap out of them and refusing to give up is noble. A character ordering the shonen hero to get the crap beaten out of them is an asshole. A major part of shonen tropes is the character is so driven they're willing to voluntarily do things no one could ever ask of them.

[ember-reignited.livejournal.com]

And then there's the Viridian Gym episode that highlights the disconnect by showing us what it would look like if Ash were a legitimate shounen hero in that sense, and yet it's a one-off thing. Even as a little kid that episode left me going, "Wait, what? And that merits no introspection at all?"

[farla.livejournal.com]

Oh god, that episode. "It's EVIL to make trainers feel what their pokemon go through!" I mean, yeah it's sadistic because it's not like it makes the pokemon suffer any less, but really, way to make it all about you, Ash.

Actually the other one where they make a big deal over Gary getting smacked around by Mewtwo was similarly off - what, if Gary's pokemon were all unconscious but he was still standing it'd have been okay? It's suddenly wrong now that a human was hurt?

[ember-reignited.livejournal.com]

And how do you go through that and not come out asking yourself, "Can I keep doing this?" I mean, the right answer is obviously "no," and we can't have that, but it wasn't even addressed and then handwaved with "but their Pokémon love them so it's all right!" like the show usually does when something highlights one of the more questionable aspects of battles.

[farla.livejournal.com]

At the least there should have been the obligatory doubting scene, where Ash asks his pokemon if they want to stop. It'd still be a wallbanger because let's face it, it's never been explained why pokemon want to, and the idea they're doing it because they love their trainer just smacks of Stockholm, but at least Ash would've been trying.

And in a show that actually had character development, you'd have Ash learn that sometimes it's okay to forfeit if your pokemon are getting the shit beaten out of them, and otherwise being more concerned about winning with the minimum damage done to them.

(In a fanfic, which is less on the rails, I'd really like to see things where trainers start out being ordinary trainers, and realize it's fucked up around the point they're actually involved in something important, instead of badges, so they have a goal that isn't just about them. Like, if Ash's gym battle had led into an epic struggle against Team Rocket, instead of the Indigo Plateau fights.)

[ember-reignited.livejournal.com]

You know, I think when I first watched the show I was waiting for that to happen. The transition into an "epic struggle against Team Rocket," I mean. You have those early episodes with Giovanni in the shadows, and then in that episode you see him clearly for the first time, and he has Mewtwo, that's got to be leading somewhere, right? And of course, what it's leading to is a movie tie-in. Dammit.

And then the Championships happen, and Ash loses, and it's... not actually a big deal. And that's when ten-year-old me realizes what little overarching plot there is she is not invested in at all, just as the cast heads off to a new location that isn't in the games so there isn't even the excitement of seeing familiar game settings brought to life to look forward to. So yeah that was the point I decided the ridiculous Mary Sue story in my head was way more entertaining than anything the show had to offer, and that the time I spent watching it would be put to much better use daydreaming.

[farla.livejournal.com]

I was so ridiculously excited about Giovanni back then. It had all the hallmarks of a slow-building plotline! I was all about the tropes and I totally knew what would happen. First they're in shadows, and you learn more, and finally they're shown in full, and then the hero finds out and there's the epic fight! (Also Mewtwo was the coolest thing ever, so it was going to be so awesome.)

Instead Ash is just "huh so Team Rocket controls the eighth gym...WELP THAT WAS MY LAST BADGE, OFF TO THE POKELYPICS!"

...to my shame I didn't realize it. I kept being strung along. Orange Islands! It's a new area that must be important right? Maybe it'll be part of the new games or something...no, but okay, now there's the GS ball! That's got to be import...or I guess it could not...

I forget how far I got into Johto. Around when Ash had replaced most of his team and the realization that we were on a permanent plot treadmill, because there wasn't even the illusion he was progressing as a trainer any longer.

And the worst part about it is the show really did seem like it originally was meant to have a plot arc. Early episode Ash actually learns from various events and slowly becomes more competent, even if it is at a snail's pace. And he hits various bits of game plot, like the SS Anne. And then at some point it all stops, and all the episodes become interchangeable.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, the original plan for the series was to end it with the movie. In fact, the original ending was going to include an older Misty dragging along a child (presumably Ash's, but there is another woman in the shot) and an aged Pikachu looking off into the sunset. I mean, originally it was going to end with Pikachu running to the child and signify the inheritence of pokemon to the next generation.

After seeing it many years after the first movie and Johto, I think it would have been a great ending to the franchise and the games could just continue, but apparently they wanted to rake in more cash.

Once again, artistic finesse loses out to money.

[farla.livejournal.com]

Hm. I mean, that's obviously better than what we've got now, but I have to admit that would still be a bit unsatisfying if we never saw Ash vs Giovanni.

I really wish they'd reset the franchise with a new character for each region, though.

[ember-reignited.livejournal.com]

That would be nice! Then we could have actual plot and character arcs!

[ameliorer.livejournal.com]

That's why the manga is so much better!

[charizamdc.livejournal.com]

Look at the sadistic little grin on pikachu's face whenever it's about to light someone up. I think we all know why it wants to fight.

[farla.livejournal.com]

Point. But does Pikachu enjoy battling in particular, or would it prefer to just roam free, attacking the weak and stupid without fear of retaliation? Note its preferred target when not battling is Ash.

[farla.livejournal.com]

I know it's hard to tell, but I really am :DDD about this, not passive aggressive pretending to be happy.

Also, no they aren't (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SlidingScaleOfGenderInequality).

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you *happy* about this?! Why? Seriously? o_O O_o o_o????

[(Anonymous)]

YOU FOOLS! HATING FARLA ONLY MAKES HER STRONGER

[farla.livejournal.com]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[farla.livejournal.com]

Just look at it! They're saying I'm evil for having opinions, insulting people by telling them not to capitalize pikachu, and flaming people by telling them how to write dialogue. It's so beautifully over the top, it's like a little summary of all the insanity I get.

Then they go on to admit my writing is good. Even people who hate me think my writing is good! People who like me might be lying to spare my feelings, but people who hate me? I think not.

[(Anonymous)]

People of neutral bias might actually believe them, though, which spreads more grammar ignorance/stupidity, which is counterproductive to all of your endevours on FFN.

[farla.livejournal.com]

Can't it get preserved as the perfect example of exactly what the person they replied to was talking about? The rec pages allow more chatter.

[(Anonymous)]

And hm? How is the sliding scale of gender equality stupid? I've looked over both it and the discussion pages and I don't see anything wrong, though I'm male so I probably won't see all the sexist things at first glance, unfortunately.

[farla.livejournal.com]

Because it's so horribly weighted in favor of men being the normal gender. Anything with female protagonists gets kicked into 6+, while their examples of "equality" involve all-male protagonists and mostly male casts. The low numbers fall over themselves to make excuses for why all male characters isn't necessarily sexist, but all the upper numbers are bitching about feminazi mistreatment. (Note also the upper levels all describe particular settings, while the lower ones are how the characters are actually treated.)

I mean, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 6 breaks the series' tradition of male protagonists with Joelyne. Seriously? There's an entire damn "tradition" of male protagonists but they eventually get around to including a girl so it's gender equal? And FMA, really? Horribly imbalanced casts are considered equal if they're mostly male, while anything with more women is considered unbalanced.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, I see. I didn't look at the examples, so...ugh. :(

Should I call them out on that? I have an account and I can talk on the discussion page if necessary.

[farla.livejournal.com]

It needs a complete rewrite from top to bottom, because it's not just the examples but the basic setup (the examples just make it obvious how broken the scale is) and from other pages any changes would get fought tooth and nail. There's a couple people with an ax to grind so much any overtly feminist-flavored page has qualifiers about the poor men, and any honest version of the scale would have to acknowledge that the majority of stories are weighted toward male characters and that this isn't equally bad as a handful having female protagonists.

[charizamdc.livejournal.com]

I'm not entirely sure why we need it to be set up male-equal-female rather than unequal-equal, really. That's what the title led me to assume would be there in the first place.

[farla.livejournal.com]

It's because the fact a tiny handful of stories portray women positively or have more of them than men is exactly as unjust, if not more, than the fact most stories are about men. I saw the original proposed version of it (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=82pfhao5xsnbl0q95adqd2g3) and it was even more of a clusterfuck. When most of your description is bawwing about feminazis, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near sexism tropes.

[(Anonymous)]

...Ugh.

Still, though, surely there's *something* I could do?

[farla.livejournal.com]

I guess you could try to make it suck less, but really I think it needs to get purged and redone from the ground up. And even if you got a decent page it'd require constant policing to keep people from putting their favorite shows in the equals area or putting all shojo in the sexist-toward-men sections, or writing endless justifying edits for the 1-4 shows.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's probably beyond my troping capability or persuasive skills. :( I could probably leave a post calling people out on it on the discussion page or Repair Shop forum, and see where it goes from there.

Or perhaps you could once NaRe is over? I'm sure you're better at arguing than I am...

[farla.livejournal.com]

I have my hands full futilely policing other places, I draw the line at wiki arguments.

And even if you could get everything established perfectly, it'd still degrade into wank and stupidity. Every example in the lower numbers of outright sexism that's less than FATAL levels would either get argued to death by its fans or the level itself would get edited until it was described as neutral. And I don't think there's any way to explain that the "female characters get portrayed as more competent than male ones" examples isn't actually sexist against men so much as sexist against everyone, and - yeah there's just no way to get it to work. The only working system would be to cut treatment and just do it by ratio because that's objective enough you could keep the stupidity under control.

[(Anonymous)]

You're actually misinterpreting the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure example; there's a separate entry for it under level 4 that acknowledges that only part 6 is a level 5, not the entire series.

[farla.livejournal.com]

Having a female main character doesn't mean it's gender equal. This is why the page needs to be nuked from orbit. Gender equal means even ratios and treatment, not that it sucks less than something worse.

[(Anonymous)]

Just for fun, I think I might make a page for you, link directly to the YMMV page on fanfic recs, add Knight Templar, Small Name Big Ego and Wallbanger, copypaste from fafic recs and see what kind of awesome that leads to. TvTropes-endorsed rantspace. Woo!

[farla.livejournal.com]

On the one hand, that could only end badly. On the other hand, it could only end badly.

(I think I was in Small Name Big Ego before the page was nuked, probably over the reviews, but I never saw it.)

[(Anonymous)]

How could that end badly? Would the page get nuked by mods? Has something similar happened before?

[(Anonymous)]

Prooobably. A lock will be pretty likely if it gets too vitriolic, as people will say stuff like: "How come we can't flame Sonichu when Farla's page is way worse!" or "Seltzer And Friedberg isn't even that bad compared to Farla... come on.".

[(Anonymous)]

Ah well. The page would probably be hilarious, though. XD

[farla.livejournal.com]

I was thinking in vaguer terms, of it just being a drama magnet.

I mean, so's my forum, but if you're posting on my forum it should be obvious I'll show up and call you an idiot, while I normally just leave other places to their own devices.

John

[(Anonymous)]

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